Episode Abstract:
On this episode, Kenny Jahng sits down with Preston Pope and Nick Smith, co-founders of Tapos.app, to discover how church buildings can harness AI to make discipleship sources extra accessible and impactful.
The dialogue dives deep into sensible methods Tapos uncovers and leverages buried church knowledge for ongoing ministry—an answer born straight from the true challenges pastors face.
Uncover an actionable framework for discipleship, revolutionary use-cases, and the tech that’s serving to ministry leaders lengthen the attain of their sermons, construct stronger discipleship pathways, and extra.
Whether or not you’re AI-curious or cautious, this dialog gives readability and subsequent steps for integrating digital instruments with knowledge and discernment.
In This Episode, You’ll Be taught:
How Tapos.app transforms sermon archives and church sources into searchable, sharable discipleship instruments
The true-world origin story that impressed Preston and Nick to construct tech for ministry, not simply {the marketplace}
The 4-step SEND discipleship framework for onboarding AI in church life, from seeding your content material to participating and nurturing your congregation
Tips on how to safeguard theological alignment by curating trusted sources alongside your personal supplies
Alternative ways church buildings are utilizing AI at this time
Why embracing, slightly than avoiding, new expertise is essential for church development and ongoing relevance
First steps for pastors and ministry leaders exploring AI with out risking mission drift or overwhelming their staff
Key Quotes:
“The knowledge of the church is buried…AI is absolutely the one option to make that accessible and discoverable in a sensible method.” — Preston Pope
“Tapos is a really secure first step into the AI world. It takes your whole sermons, your whole content material, something that you simply’ve created, and makes them searchable, shareable, and unforgettable.” — Nick Smith
“We will both embrace AI for the sunshine or abandon it to the darkness. That’s the problem for the church forward of us.” — Preston Pope
“It’s good to be hesitant…however the Church has adopted each new expertise finally, and we’ve seen the gospel develop. AI is simply one other instrument.” — Nick Smith
Hyperlinks & Assets Talked about:
Tapos.app
The Bible Venture
GotQuestions.org
ChurchTechToday.com
Electronic mail for Tapos: hi there@tapos.app
Electronic mail for the podcast: kenny@bigclickadmin
Concerning the Church Tech At present Podcast:
The Church Tech At present Podcast helps pastors, church employees, and ministry leaders navigate the intersection of religion and expertise with confidence. Hosted by Kenny Jahng and dropped at you by www.FrontDoor.church.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Kenny Jahng [00:00:02]:
Effectively, it’s that point once more, of us. My title is Kenny Jahng. We’re right here with the Church Tech At present podcast. We’re happening even additional within the sphere of AI and discipleship. This is likely one of the candy spots I feel that AI has that’s usually neglected. We continuously are taking a look at AI for novelty and content material Preston, however within the precise ministry of discipleship, there’s a really large, large case for utilizing and making use of AI instruments collectively. And for that functions, I’ve invited two buddies right here, cofounders of a instrument known as Tapos. App.
Kenny Jahng [00:00:39]:
Welcome to the present, Preston and Nick. How are you guys doing?
Preston Pope [00:00:42]:
Hey, Kenny. Thanks for having us.
Kenny Jahng [00:00:44]:
Hey. How are you
Nick Smith [00:00:45]:
doing, Nick?
Kenny Jahng [00:00:45]:
Shortly, for everyone right here, earlier than we dive proper in, might you simply give us, like, one sentence or two of, like, who you might be and what’s your function at Tapos?
Preston Pope [00:00:56]:
Yeah. Completely. So, so I began Tapos a few yr and a half in the past. So I’m the the preliminary founder and mainly Nick lead lead dev, doing a lot of the the nerdy behind the scenes issues.
Kenny Jahng [00:01:07]:
Superior.
Nick Smith [00:01:08]:
Yeah. I’m Nick. I’m the gorgeous face in entrance of Tapos. Preston the mind. So
Preston Pope [00:01:13]:
going.
Nick Smith [00:01:13]:
You simply serving. Yeah.
Kenny Jahng [00:01:16]:
So what does your organization do for church buildings? Proper? So Tapos.app, it’s, it’s a SaaS product. It’s on-line. It’s a instrument that pastors and church employees leaders ought to ought to examine. What does it really do?
Nick Smith [00:01:31]:
Yeah. It makes discipleship simpler within the AI world. It takes your sermons and your content material, and, you’re capable of ask Preston, you’re capable of search, and, it supplies solutions out of your content material and your trusted sources.
Kenny Jahng [00:01:47]:
Yeah. And one among
Preston Pope [00:01:48]:
the is the straightforward one cease store for AI for church buildings.
Kenny Jahng [00:01:52]:
Yeah. And so what I like about your journey and as I’ve gotten to know you guys is that it’s not simply, hey, enterprise individuals looking for a market, however, it’s popping out of actual practitioner utilization. Proper, Nick? You’re a pastor, and also you’re seeing the precise fruits of how we are able to use AI and even the locations that the AI instruments should not in all probability the most effective place to do. Are you able to simply share a bit of little bit of the origin story about this product and platform? Like, what really sparked the concept? I like listening to these origin tales of the AI instruments that we have now at this time.
Preston Pope [00:02:26]:
Yeah. Completely. So I’ll inform kinda mine after which Nick, you already know, you possibly can inform form of your your your intro into it as effectively. So the, it’s in all probability a few yr and a half in the past, and I used to be in a bible research and we’re sitting round and the pastor had mentioned one thing a pair weeks in the past. There was it was the proper factor that we wanted to disciple in that second. And also you had been attempting to speak with this man and encourage him like, hey, man, the pastor mentioned this. And so actually eight of us had been like pulling up YouTube or panning by or looking for, scrolling by. Perhaps it was the week earlier than, perhaps it was the week after.
Preston Pope [00:02:54]:
After about ten minutes, we we simply gave up. We couldn’t discover it. And I noticed the tragic reality that the knowledge of the church is buried. It’s simply in these archives which are nondiscoverable, inaccessible, and never capable of be utilized in a sensible method. And so, I used to be Kenny challenged within the second. I used to be like, the blokes had been like, Preston, don’t you construct apps for a dwelling? Like, can’t you possibly can’t you discover a resolution for this? And in order that was form of the the the inspiration. I’m like, alright. I actually suppose we acquired to discover a option to make the knowledge of the church accessible and discoverable.
Preston Pope [00:03:23]:
And AI is absolutely the one method to try this in a significant method.
Nick Smith [00:03:29]:
Yeah. My my intro to it was Preston calls me, and he’s like, Nick, dude, I’ve this nice concept. What if all of your servants could possibly be searchable? And I’m going, oh, please, god. No. What what heretical factor have I mentioned? Or or what dry humor is anyone not gonna perceive, after I preach reference reference Yeah. What number of of your workplace yeah. What number of workplace workplace references are simply, like, simply overdone? I imply, the the present is fifteen years previous, 20 years previous now. However, so he requested me that query.
Nick Smith [00:04:02]:
There’s a bit of little bit of worry. He instructed me to to get on it, inspired me, so I did. After which a few month after that, my dad known as me and he says, hey, Nick. I’m really retiring on the finish of this yr. And that’s when it actually hit me of going Kenny years of my dad’s servants are simply buried, and I depend on him a lot for recommendation. When he’s finished, how do I entry this? How do like, how can I proceed to ask him questions when he leaves this world? And so, I uploaded all his stuff, and and now I don’t even have to speak to my dad. I’ve his knowledge. I’ve his sermons.
Nick Smith [00:04:38]:
I don’t even
Preston Pope [00:04:39]:
want him. Is that the driving?
Nick Smith [00:04:40]:
That’s one other joke. Sorry. Hi there?
Kenny Jahng [00:04:42]:
Yeah. So, so this journey, I feel, has been fascinating to unfold, particularly taking a look at even different, AI apps on the market for the church and seeing the evolution. Proper? Like, it’s a kind of issues. After I was, a part of a enterprise catalyst agency the place we had a number of firms within the portfolio, we noticed how the preliminary impetus for beginning the corporate generally, modifications over time due to interactions with precise customers and seeing how the communities really use the product, which many instances are much more sturdy or dynamic than we imagined as startup founders, etcetera. At present, once you’re speaking to pastors and church buildings which are placing Tapos into motion, what would you what would they are saying is the issue that they’re addressing on their aspect? Like, what do they suppose that they’re fixing?
Preston Pope [00:05:34]:
Like, it’s a Yeah.
Nick Smith [00:05:35]:
It’s, it’s twofold. The primary one, like, we’ve been speaking about, their knowledge is buried, and it’s not getting used. It looks like the Sunday message ends Sunday afternoon when everybody breaks for lunch. And it’s what what did the pastor say? And it it perhaps final an hour. And so discipleship is simply, falling quick there. And so the primary downside is making your sermons lengthen past the pulpit, not simply, until that following Saturday, however, I imply, weeks, months, years previous. After which the second downside is simply time and bandwidth on each pastor. It looks like, discipleship and ministry all will get bottlenecked, on one man.
Nick Smith [00:06:19]:
And so having the ability to, make pastor’s instances extra environment friendly after which even to begin equipping others to start utilizing this to create research guides and people issues that may assist their congregation, into deeper design.
Kenny Jahng [00:06:36]:
I find it irresistible. So, why don’t we zoom again out for a bit of bit as a result of not everybody is aware of Tapos. How does it really work? Are you able to simply give a quite simple twenty twenty thousand foot view of what what does a pastor do once they’re really establishing Tapos and utilizing Tapos? Mainly, they one of many steps is they’ll really add all of their very own sermons. Proper?
Preston Pope [00:06:58]:
Mhmm. Yeah. So so we’ve really developed a framework, to to to stroll pastors by this. What does it appear like to truly equip your congregation with AI? And so we name it the Kenny framework. So there’s 4 steps of that. The primary one is seed, and that’s the place you you add and curate your your library content material. That’s your sermons, that’s your podcast, the whole lot you have got there. You seed it, you stylize it, you you categorize it and tag it.
Preston Pope [00:07:22]:
The following one is to interact. And that is crucial one. You’ve acquired to equip your congregation with that. , put the chatbot in your web site, ship out the hyperlinks to the precise library web page the place they’ll work together with it, make the most of our API when you actually have a extremely tech savvy staff, and likewise use it to generate sources that you may share out routinely together with your staff on a weekly foundation. The third step is nurture, and that’s once you really take these insights. In order individuals are interacting with the content material in your in your library, you possibly can really see the anonymized insights from that and use that to drive motion steps. And when you can successfully do these three, that’s what true we imagine really results in to discipleship within the AI age, is that will help you equip, you already know, seed, interact, nurture, after which all that may on the finish of the day result in discipleship.
Kenny Jahng [00:08:04]:
Oh, I like that framework. And so this can be a course of that your instrument helps all through the complete course of, like or is it simply fixing one little piece of that?
Preston Pope [00:08:13]:
Our once you log in, our admin portal that you’ll log in to has 4 sections, seed, interact, nurture, disciple, and it walks you thru the the substeps inside that to seed with construction, to seed with model, to seed with choice, and so forth and so forth, strolling by all of the alternative ways that you may go from from having no expertise with AI to having a totally AI outfitted congregation that’s not changing the Preston, however supplementing and pointing the whole lot Nick to gospel centric reality.
Kenny Jahng [00:08:42]:
I find it irresistible. Okay. And so it’s not similar to, hey. Let’s simply copy paste the sermon into ChatChippity after which see what occurs. You even have this complete course of that really provides that guardrails. One of many issues I like about your platform is also that it’s not simply your personal, trusted sources. Proper? Like, it’s not all your personal manuscripts out of your sermons and bible research classes that you simply’ve written and however you have got the flexibility to do greater than that when it comes to the trusted sources. Proper? As a result of I feel one of many largest considerations, we’re seeing it in our AI Nick, state of the AI of the church survey that the primary difficulty that pastors have with AI is theological alignment.
Kenny Jahng [00:09:24]:
They’re very there’s a giant concern. That’s the primary difficulty, pastors have in our nationwide survey. How does that get addressed, and what how do you try this past simply your sermons?
Nick Smith [00:09:35]:
Yeah. So it’s, you possibly can see with simply your sermons. That’s the first step. However then step two is you really go and select your trusted sources and who you might be pouring into you. And so, for me personally, I, have the Bible challenge as one among my trusted sources. I’ve acquired questions, my dad’s sermons. And so after I go and do analysis, ask a query, it’s really pulling from every a kind of trusted sources and answering. And so I I’ve as I serve in prep, I’ve already been utilizing these Pope, however it required me to go to their website, go do deep research, go discover the solutions that I’m searching for, and Tapos reverses all of that.
Nick Smith [00:10:11]:
It brings all of that to me, after which really sources it out in order that I can really go do a deeper research.
Kenny Jahng [00:10:18]:
Yeah. That that I feel is likely one of the finest elements of Tapos particularly.
Preston Pope [00:10:22]:
And one of many largest issues too is, you already know, there’s a variety of instruments on the market which are they’re hyper targeted on equipping the Preston, and I like that. And I feel that’s that’s a really wanted talent set. That’s not really the place our coronary heart and need is. Our we love the Preston, and we have now actually cool instruments that that assist equip the pastor similar to Nick has talked about. However the whole lot that Nick simply described there may be totally accessible as effectively to the incongruent. And so you possibly can come you go to your church’s web site and in the event that they’ve embedded that widget, all of the knowledge not solely of that their library, but additionally the trusted sources that they’ve chosen to say, hey, these are all in theological alignment with us at the moment are a corpus of of data that may be accessed. It’s actually vital for, like, small church buildings who perhaps perhaps they’re simply getting began. They’ve acquired perhaps 5 months value of sermons.
Preston Pope [00:11:02]:
They haven’t gone by a Roman collection. So if I’m asking about Romans 12, it’s not gonna have a solution for me. And so we are able to undergo and and really say, hey. Usher in Bible challenge. Usher in these different trusted sources that may assist complement the library of knowledge that we’re exposing to assist disciple our congregation.
Kenny Jahng [00:11:18]:
Yeah. That’s wonderful to me. And and I suppose to not get into the weeds, one of many issues I like, a superpower is that, when you wished once you’re choosing and seeding, as you say, the sources, even in your personal church, You might even simply put in a YouTube playlist hyperlink, I feel, after which it does like, it many church buildings, the pastor has been preaching for ten years, twenty years, thirty years, some forty years or extra, and you’ve got a whole lot of sermons, on YouTube. And the concept of getting somebody to repeat paste each single one one after the other is simply so tedious, however you have got a you have got a facility that does all of it in bulk. Proper? Like, simply are you able to simply share that for a second? As a result of I simply wanna present how simple you’ve made it when it comes to the person expertise to get get on board and get going.
Preston Pope [00:12:06]:
Completely. The the purpose was to make this to not add work to youth
Nick Smith [00:12:10]:
and church employees,
Preston Pope [00:12:11]:
however to to take work away and to free them as much as really do arms on ministry. And so we’ve made that as simple as potential. All it’s important to do is copy the YouTube hyperlink. We give a a demo of precisely how to try this. Copy the playlist hyperlink, and we’ll auto pull from that a number of instances a day, convey it by, course of all of the insights from each single new sermon that’s there, and put it aside to your library of knowledge. And the fantastic thing about it’s we have now that saved. And so if for one thing one thing ever occurred to YouTube or one thing occurred to your Fb stay stream, you already know, that’s nonetheless saved. All these knowledge and perception remains to be preserved.
Preston Pope [00:12:39]:
You possibly can clearly delete it sooner or later if you need, however we have now these insights saved for you. You can too add only a PDF or add the precise audio or video recordsdata if that’s your most well-liked technique. However by far, when you’re already on YouTube, simply hyperlink your playlist, and we’ll auto pull from that.
Kenny Jahng [00:12:54]:
Superior. So, are you able to give us perhaps one or two actual world ways in which church buildings are literally utilizing your instrument that aren’t like, in like, it’s not the usual factor that all of us dream of after we’re considering of an AI instrument. Like, what’s one or two ways in which would possibly shock us or spark new concepts for, like, oh, we would be capable to use AI in a a method that’s completely different than I considered simply minutes in the past earlier than beginning this interview and podcast. Perhaps in case you have one every, like, are you able to share like, what’s an actual world method that the church is utilizing it that’s stunning or completely different?
Nick Smith [00:13:31]:
Yeah. So our church presently makes use of it. After I after I get my sermon up on time, like, not Sunday morning after I’m ready forward, We take my sermon notes. It hasn’t been breached but. It’s only a PDF file. And we really generate kids’s ministry concepts. And so for, our 5 and unders class, it provides us three completely different craft concepts, tells us what supplies we want, what steps to take, after which the way it connects to the Sunday sermon. And so the rationale we do that’s we’re actually geared in the direction of, all sections of our church studying the identical factor that week.
Nick Smith [00:14:11]:
It begins to facilitate conversations with you and your youngsters on the drive dwelling. And so, yeah. After which Preston?
Preston Pope [00:14:18]:
Yeah. So one of many issues that that we’ve we’ve seen individuals do as effectively, which is, you possibly can inform we’re each dad and mom, is producing bible research. So we have now a few 25 default generate sources that you may generate both out of your total library on a particular matter or from particular items of fabric. However, youngsters’ bedtime tales is one which we’ve we’ve had it generated. So it’s a enjoyable exercise the place we are saying, hey, what’s your favourite coloration? What, what what’s what animal are you considering of proper now? And we have now it generate a a gospel centric, you already know, bedtime story that I can learn over the youngsters, that that’s grounded and rooted within the the knowledge of the church. And and one different instance that I’ll share as a result of it’s a bit of completely different right here in scope is we have now some organizations, some church buildings which have a counseling, heart as part of their group. And they also have a bunch of fabric there that that’s centered round counseling or particular, you already know, components of discipleship. And they also’ve created a subaccount inside their umbrella church Tapos listing account.
Preston Pope [00:15:11]:
They’ve created a subaccount that they’ll seed with simply the fabric for that and supply as a separate useful resource that they’ve insights and visibility into, however can be utilized as a useful resource particularly tailor-made to that particular ministry inside their group.
Kenny Jahng [00:15:24]:
Wow. I like that. Can we discuss a few of your your core prospects, the those which are totally aligned and perceive that they know easy methods to steward AI? What’s one thing that they’re doing in another way once they method AI? Like, how are they considering it completely different than, the standard pastor now that’s nonetheless within the early levels of adoption? ? Are there any suggestions or approaches that you simply’ve seen which are really significant that modifications the sport for a pastor once they’re serious about it in another way?
Nick Smith [00:16:02]:
Yeah. I feel step one is I I’ll simply speak personally. After I really did only a a fast historical past lesson of the church and expertise and going, man, it it’s really good to be hesitant. I’m not gonna inform you to not be. You have to be weighing the professionals and cons, and it is best to know the pitfalls. That it’s simply sensible for pastors to try this. Nonetheless, we have now adopted each new expertise finally, and we’ve seen gospel really develop from there. We’ve we’ve seen the gospel used by tv, radio, by the printing press, by the Web, by or something, actually.
Nick Smith [00:16:41]:
And so the the shift that wanted to occur for me was simply going, AI is simply one other instrument. That’s all it’s. And if I can get good at this instrument, look how significantly better, and extra environment friendly and the way a lot time I’m saving by by letting it do that in order that I can really go and speak to those individuals right here at this fixed present.
Preston Pope [00:17:05]:
That’s the best way the best way I’d wish to phrase it prior to now is we are able to both embrace AI for the sunshine or we are able to abandon it to the darkness. And that’s the problem for the church that’s forward of us. , what what are we going to do? We’ve to have a solution to AI. It’s a kind of polarizing Tapos. And so, you already know, are we going to embrace it or are we going to to reject it and and let the world Kenny of run with it and do with it what it’ll? After which one of many extra extra form of sensible instance that I’ve seen, you already know, form of the tremendous customers of of this use, is that they’ll use it for a number of the correspondence as effectively. So a few of their, like, weekly correspondence with their employees or as individuals are, you already know, you already know, prayer requests coming in, they’ll use it to assist, hey, I’m gonna kind out a response, form of complement this with insights from our sermon library. And so it’s not writing the e-mail for them, however it’s it’s taking the the core coronary heart behind what they’re attempting to do and supplementing and displaying them and saying, hey. At minute thirty 5 within the sermon from ten years in the past, you had this quote and that is gonna share right here.
Preston Pope [00:17:58]:
So we’re gonna embed that hyperlink there to that to allow them to really share the insights from the many years value of holy spirit impressed knowledge that’s now accessible to be be used even in one thing as mundane as as replying to an e-mail.
Kenny Jahng [00:18:10]:
Wow. That half is I feel is nice. Like, we all know that, I feel one among Google’s authentic mission statements is absolutely to make the world’s data accessible in an occasion. And but that’s probably not the case. Proper? And we’re looking and pecking on Google, and instruments like that is really doing that, on a really sensible foundation. Effectively, thanks a lot for being with us at this time. Now one of many issues that I feel is simply, you already know, what I like about our communities, we have now, 1000’s of development minded pastors which are following alongside and even contributing their finest practices, what they’re seeing working, etcetera. Are you able to give us, like, a sixty seconds, pitch? Or what would you say if we had a room filled with pastors, all of the individuals which are listening in at this time? What would you say to them about AI discipleship and really about attempting out Tapos for themselves? What what’s what do it’s important to supply them at this time?
Nick Smith [00:19:11]:
Yeah. Particularly about Tapos. If you’re bored with simply prepping sermon after sermon after sermon each Sunday, After which not seeing that sermon really go the bandwidth or, like, the the precise potential it has, to create disciples, when you’re bored with that. And if when you’re overwhelmed with going that I have to generate new and new issues, which I’m there. I’m drained. In case you’re there, there’s a instrument known as Tapos that takes your whole sermons, your whole content material, your whole podcasts, something that you simply’ve created, and it makes them searchable, it makes them shareable, and it makes them unforgettable. It’s really taking your holy spirit impressed knowledge, giving it to your individuals to start equipping them, to truly be doing ministry. Tapos is a really secure first step into the AI world.
Kenny Jahng [00:20:05]:
I find it irresistible. Nice. Now if, when you’re trying ahead within the subsequent chapter of, you already know, expertise growth and even the church world, I might ask every one among you, your reply to this query. What are you most enthusiastic about subsequent? Both in your product or the church tech house generally, what’s getting you most enthusiastic about what’s subsequent? What’s up forward?
Preston Pope [00:20:31]:
I feel for me, one of many issues that excites me most is the interconnectivity that we’re beginning to see within the church tech house, but additionally simply within the kingdom as an entire. As we work in the direction of one another as you already know, there’s a plenty of instruments working in parallel. Can we lock arms and begin to construct issues which are interconnected, that would assist serve the church extra holistically than we might do individually?
Nick Smith [00:20:53]:
That is how you already know Preston and I spend a bit of a lot too an excessive amount of time collectively. I had the very same. It was
Preston Pope [00:20:59]:
Oh, you
Nick Smith [00:21:00]:
conversations yeah. Effectively, the conversations I’ve had with people who find themselves working alongside, I’m simply I’ve been so blessed simply to see God working, different individuals full of the spirits. Different individuals would love God eager to to additional this.
Kenny Jahng [00:21:15]:
Superior. If somebody’s after listening to this about Tapos, like, the place ought to they go subsequent? What what’s the name to motion for everyone right here at this time?
Preston Pope [00:21:24]:
Yeah. You possibly can comply with us, discover our web site. It’s tapos.app, t a p 0 s A p p. You can too e-mail us at hi there@tapos.app, and e book a demo. The the hyperlinks on our web site, we’d love to talk whether or not it’s testing Tapos or simply questions on AI generally, we’re, we’re right here to assist.
Kenny Jahng [00:21:40]:
Superior. We’re gonna finish with a a enjoyable little part that we do with a few of our company right here. It’s known as our lightning spherical of questions. It’s, quick, livid, and enjoyable. So, I’m gonna put you in your toes right here, and ask you a pair Preston. Proper? And so perhaps we begin with Preston and Nick, you’re on bat after, and we’ll shuttle. So the primary query is, what’s your favourite app in your telephone or a bit of tech proper now that you may’t stay with out? What are you obsessive about? Preston, you go first.
Preston Pope [00:22:08]:
Superhuman AI powered emails. It’s incredible. Recreation changer.
Kenny Jahng [00:22:12]:
I’ve heard about that platform. So inquisitive about it. Nick, what about you?
Nick Smith [00:22:16]:
After you have GVT. As I make espresso, I I inform all of it of my to do listing, and it jogs my memory in the course of the day.
Kenny Jahng [00:22:23]:
Sure. I find it irresistible. Okay. What’s one thing about your job that may shock individuals?
Preston Pope [00:22:32]:
Half my day, I find yourself spending, I had calf urine overlaying my my leg yesterday as a result of I used to be carrying a a child calf to go care for it. So I stay I stay on a ranch. So that may be a a bit of little bit of a dichotomy with the, the AI world that I stay in.
Kenny Jahng [00:22:48]:
Yeah. I’ll say that generally you have got a Zoom name after which there’s actually cows within the background, and it’s not only a wallpaper for enjoyable. You possibly can
Preston Pope [00:22:55]:
scent me by the Zoom name.
Kenny Jahng [00:22:56]:
That’s a really completely different expertise, after we’re speaking on-line. Nick, what about you?
Nick Smith [00:23:03]:
I don’t know. I’m speaking to pastors. Everybody already is aware of, what pastors do. I don’t spend all my day in prayer. I don’t have the Babylon memorized, Bible Belt.
Preston Pope [00:23:16]:
You You haven’t seen it for years. Yeah.
Nick Smith [00:23:19]:
I haven’t seen it. Yeah. Yeah. I’m I’m not even gonna yeah.
Kenny Jahng [00:23:23]:
Okay. We’ll go on to the following one. So what’s one church pattern that you simply suppose is overhyped or finished?
Preston Pope [00:23:33]:
Oh, the the heavy advertising and marketing, kinda will get cringey at instances for me for I feel it’s vital. I feel there’s the house for it, however I feel it could actually get cringey at instances.
Kenny Jahng [00:23:43]:
What about you, Nick? What’s one church pattern you suppose is overhyped or finished?
Nick Smith [00:23:49]:
I’m gonna be a bit of bit daring right here. I see a really large motion in the direction of very small church. 50 individuals or much less. So so large church buildings, I feel, we’ll we’ll see what occurs. Good. There’s a necessity for them, however I I do see a a motion occurring.
Kenny Jahng [00:24:07]:
Okay. Right here’s a non secular query. Apple or Android?
Preston Pope [00:24:14]:
Apple. Sadly, I I I shifted about ten years in the past. I used to be compelled to purchase my previous firm to to go Apple, and, I I’m comfortable to say I did it.
Kenny Jahng [00:24:23]:
What about you, Nick?
Nick Smith [00:24:25]:
Yeah. Apple.
Kenny Jahng [00:24:26]:
Okay. Superior. Yeah. Coronary heart of the household. After which going again to church traits, what’s one church traits extra pastors want to concentrate to at this time in addition to AI?
Preston Pope [00:24:42]:
Nick, go forward when you acquired it. I don’t have one. I’m sorry. I had one thing ready.
Nick Smith [00:24:50]:
I it’s gonna be the identical reply as I had on the earlier one, micro church. Assembly getting extra intentional, assembly in dwelling rooms a bit of bit, being actual, doing life collectively. Smith, I might Nick.
Preston Pope [00:25:03]:
Yeah. One I might say is perhaps personalization. And, you already know, what does it appear like to be extra personalised within the the AI age, however particularly for throughout the form of non secular development and discipleship.
Kenny Jahng [00:25:14]:
Superior. After which we’re gonna go away this with the query we at all times ask is fill within the clean. The way forward for church tech is clean. The way forward for church tech is? Private. Ok. Nick?
Nick Smith [00:25:33]:
Discipleship. It needs to be.
Kenny Jahng [00:25:35]:
Okay.
Nick Smith [00:25:36]:
It needs to be.
Kenny Jahng [00:25:37]:
Yeah. Exponential. Their final theme this previous yr was a 80 levels again to discipleship. And so I feel that’s an excellent one to finish on on with. Effectively, thanks a lot for, being with us at this time. We’ll must have you ever again and share extra of your journey after which perhaps even speaking by particular use instances of what you are able to do. As a result of I feel Tapos versus another AI apps out there may be much more extensible and versatile and that you simply really can do many extra issues that most individuals don’t even take into consideration. And I’m excited in regards to the future forward for you guys.
Kenny Jahng [00:26:10]:
Thanks to our listeners for tuning in at this time to the churchtechtoday,uh,.compodcast. If this dialog sparked some concepts in your church, are you able to be sure that to subscribe so that you don’t miss future episodes? However make sure you share this with one other pastor, one other teammate, another person that should hear it as a result of all of us want extra conversations about AI on this age. And it’s an incredible excuse to truly have perhaps a lunch and be taught or, do it as a part of a employees assembly, have an have an task to hearken to this collectively, after which begin these discussions. In case you’ve acquired any questions, any suggestions, or have any steered subjects of individuals that you really want us to speak to and sort out subsequent, e-mail me straight, Kenny Jang. My e-mail tackle is kenny@ChurchTechToday.com. I’d love to listen to from you. Until subsequent time. Bear in mind, don’t simply construct with tech, lead with it.
Kenny Jahng [00:27:02]:
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Preston Pope [00:27:06]:
Thanks. Yeah. That was nice.
Nick Smith [00:27:08]:
These are onerous questions, Kenny.
Preston Pope [00:27:10]:
Yeah.
Kenny Jahng [00:27:12]:
It was good. Okay. Superior.
Preston Pope [00:27:15]:
We owe you suggestions in your video. So we each watched it. We’re we’re chatting on it in all probability this afternoon. So we’ll get you some some suggestions. So
Kenny Jahng [00:27:24]:
Okay. Superior.
Nick Smith [00:27:26]:
Yeah. See you subsequent week.
Kenny Jahng [00:27:28]:
See you. Sure. See you subsequent week.
Preston Pope [00:27:30]:
Yeah. You in all probability haven’t seen the brand new admin portal. I imply, nobody has as a result of I
