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Interview with Rev. Dr. Yolanda Denson-Byers, Creator of “See Me, Consider Me” — Church Anew

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May 16, 2025
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Interview with Rev. Dr. Yolanda Denson-Byers, Creator of “See Me, Consider Me” — Church Anew



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Rev. Eric Shafer: Please share a short abstract of your ebook

Rev. Dr. Denson-Byers: This ebook is partially a evaluate of my pastoral ministry, in predominantly white church buildings, during the last twenty years (I served predominantly Black church buildings the ten years prior). It is filled with tales of problem, ache, and triumph. 

It is usually one thing of a information for white church people who’ve black leaders of their congregation. It’s meant to assist navigate avoidable situations of non-public, or institutional racism, and open up susceptible and trustworthy dialogue about the way to make church buildings extra actively anti-racist and welcoming to leaders and neighbors of shade. 

Lastly, it’s meant to encourage individuals to reply to stories of racism, from leaders of shade, not with phrases of shock or negation, however with phrases of consolation, affirmation, and life – “Beloved, I see you; I consider you.”

Why did you write this ebook?

This ebook was written to assist European-Individuals (learn white people) be good allies to leaders of shade of their church buildings. As a feminine, black, and queer pastor within the ELCA, my life expertise tells me that when leaders of shade serve predominantly white denominations, there are some issues that I can not take with no consideration that my church council, personnel staff, or different leaders already know. I wrote this ebook as a information for white leaders with the hope that it will enhance institutional and private racism within the church. 

Subsequently, I’ve now discovered that this ebook can also be useful to anybody who has an individual of shade of their life for whom they care. There are over 75 motion gadgets within the ebook that may be useful to any cross-cultural relationship one might have.

This ebook was additionally written as a love letter to the leaders of shade who’ve demonstrated such trustworthy and brave management, typically in hostile and treacherous work environments. 

I’ve heard from pastors of shade, throughout the nation, that they’ve been inviting their mutual ministry groups, pastoral care groups, church councils, personnel groups, and others to learn this ebook with them. Thereafter, they’ve engaged in dialogue concerning their shared ministry setting, with the hope to mitigate ignorance, enhance institutional and private racism, and enhance the skilled expertise of the chief of shade. 

It additionally serves as validation of the life experiences of leaders of shade. I’ve heard a couple of particular person say, “Oh thank God; I am not loopy!”

Who ought to learn this ebook?

Any one who needs to be an actively anti-racist ally of their congregation, or elsewhere, ought to learn this ebook. Whereas doing so, I encourage readers to undertake a posture of being open minded and tender hearted. 

Among the tales on this ebook are onerous to learn, nonetheless they’re true. When, and if, my white readers expertise reactivity to the tales, I problem them to ask themselves, “What about this story is triggering my anxiousness and what am I keen to do to make issues higher for my siblings of shade?” 

From the depth of my coronary heart, I encourage readers to not say, “I can’t consider it! This could’t be true! That might by no means occur in my church,” as a result of that’s hurtful and negates the very actual and painful experiences of individuals of shade. 

As an alternative, “I see you; I consider you,” is a extra trustworthy and compassionate response to the violence of racism perpetuated in our church buildings. Anybody who believes that the church can – and may do higher – ought to prayerfully learn and execute a number of the many concepts in my ebook.

Please say extra about your chapter Respect Boundaries –

This chapter is supposed to ascertain some applicable boundaries between white parishioners and their chief of shade, and their households. It’s my expertise that even white individuals of goodwill transgress my boundaries out of an inappropriate sense of entitlement or curiosity.
By purposely naming a number of the ways in which this has occurred in my very own life, I hope to encourage white congregants to assume earlier than they converse, or act, in methods which might be violent to their siblings of shade.
One such instance is touching the hair of an African or African-American pastor, with out permission. Simply as one wouldn’t plunge their fingers into the hair of a white particular person, one doesn’t have permission to do this to us both!

As a white particular person I additionally discovered your chapter Please See Coloration useful

I’ve been instructed one too many occasions, “I don’t see pores and skin shade.” Except one is legally blind, this assertion is patently false. Stated extra plainly, it’s a lie.
Everybody, who can see, is conscious of the colour of an individual’s pores and skin. In most contexts around the globe, darker pores and skin results in a rise in experiences of racism. When white individuals of goodwill inform me that they don’t see pores and skin shade, what I truly hear is, “I don’t need to discuss, or acknowledge, your experiences of racism.”
I completely perceive that this isn’t what most individuals imply once they say this. I consider it’s meant to convey an anti-racist mentality. It is usually meant to underscore their need to not choose an individual by the colour of their pores and skin, however by the content material of their character.
What I want my white allies to know, is that isn’t how an individual of shade receives your assertion. So, please cease saying it! As an alternative, we wish you to see, worth, admire, and rejoice the attractive range of our pores and skin colours and to acknowledge your individual.



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