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Interview with Dr. Yolanda Pierce, Writer of “See Me, Imagine Me” — Church Anew

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May 8, 2025
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Interview with Dr. Yolanda Pierce, Writer of “See Me, Imagine Me” — Church Anew



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Please share a quick abstract of your e-book

This e-book is partially a assessment of my pastoral ministry, in predominantly white church buildings, during the last twenty years (I served predominantly Black church buildings the ten years prior). It is stuffed with tales of problem, ache, and triumph. 

It’s also one thing of a information for white church people who’ve black leaders of their congregation. It’s meant to assist navigate avoidable cases of non-public, or institutional racism, and open up weak and sincere dialogue about methods to make church buildings extra actively anti-racist and welcoming to leaders and neighbors of colour. 

Lastly, it’s meant to encourage folks to answer experiences of racism, from leaders of colour, not with phrases of shock or negation, however with phrases of consolation, affirmation, and life – “Beloved, I see you; I imagine you.”

Why did you write this e-book?

This e-book was written to assist European-People (learn white people) be good allies to leaders of colour of their church buildings. As a feminine, black, and queer pastor within the ELCA, my life expertise tells me that when leaders of colour serve predominantly white denominations, there are some issues that I can’t take as a right that my church council, personnel crew, or different leaders already know. I wrote this e-book as a information for white leaders with the hope that it will enhance institutional and private racism within the church. 

Subsequently, I’ve now realized that this e-book can also be useful to anybody who has an individual of colour of their life for whom they care. There are over 75 motion objects within the e-book that may be useful to any cross-cultural relationship one could have.

This e-book was additionally written as a love letter to the leaders of colour who’ve demonstrated such trustworthy and brave management, usually in hostile and treacherous work environments. 

I’ve heard from pastors of colour, throughout the nation, that they’ve been inviting their mutual ministry groups, pastoral care groups, church councils, personnel groups, and others to learn this e-book with them. Thereafter, they’ve engaged in dialogue concerning their shared ministry atmosphere, with the hope to mitigate ignorance, enhance institutional and private racism, and enhance the skilled expertise of the chief of colour. 

It additionally serves as validation of the life experiences of leaders of colour. I’ve heard a couple of individual say, “Oh thank God; I am not loopy!”

Who ought to learn this e-book?

Any one who needs to be an actively anti-racist ally of their congregation, or elsewhere, ought to learn this e-book. Whereas doing so, I encourage readers to undertake a posture of being open minded and tender hearted. 

A number of the tales on this e-book are onerous to learn, nonetheless they’re true. When, and if, my white readers expertise reactivity to the tales, I problem them to ask themselves, “What about this story is triggering my nervousness and what am I prepared to do to make issues higher for my siblings of colour?” 

From the depth of my coronary heart, I encourage readers to not say, “I can’t imagine it! This will’t be true! That may by no means occur in my church,” as a result of that’s hurtful and negates the very actual and painful experiences of individuals of colour. 

As a substitute, “I see you; I imagine you,” is a extra trustworthy and compassionate response to the violence of racism perpetuated in our church buildings. Anybody who believes that the church can – and may do higher – ought to prayerfully learn and execute among the many concepts in my e-book.

Please say extra about your chapter Respect Boundaries –

This chapter is supposed to determine some acceptable boundaries between white parishioners and their chief of colour, and their households. It’s my expertise that even white folks of goodwill transgress my boundaries out of an inappropriate sense of entitlement or curiosity.
By purposely naming among the ways in which this has occurred in my very own life, I hope to encourage white congregants to suppose earlier than they communicate, or act, in methods which might be violent to their siblings of colour.
One such instance is touching the hair of an African or African-American pastor, with out permission. Simply as one wouldn’t plunge their fingers into the hair of a white individual, one doesn’t have permission to do this to us both!

As a white individual I additionally discovered your chapter Please See Colour useful

I’ve been informed one too many occasions, “I don’t see pores and skin colour.” Except one is legally blind, this assertion is patently false. Stated extra plainly, it’s a lie.
Everybody, who can see, is conscious of the colour of an individual’s pores and skin. In most contexts all over the world, darker pores and skin results in a rise in experiences of racism. When white folks of goodwill inform me that they don’t see pores and skin colour, what I truly hear is, “I don’t wish to discuss, or acknowledge, your experiences of racism.”
I completely perceive that this isn’t what most individuals imply once they say this. I imagine it’s meant to convey an anti-racist mentality. It’s also meant to underscore their want to not choose an individual by the colour of their pores and skin, however by the content material of their character.
What I want my white allies to know, is that isn’t how an individual of colour receives your assertion. So, please cease saying it! As a substitute, we would like you to see, worth, respect, and rejoice the attractive range of our pores and skin colours and to acknowledge your personal.



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